Corey is an international keynoter, an avid sketchnoter, and the Head of Engineering at Kin + Carta | Create Europe. She has developed high profile Android applications over the years, including Capital One, XfinityTV, and Pinterest and ran teams large and small. She’s a former Google Developer Expert (GDE) in Android and Google Developer Group (GDG) organizer.
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Twitter: @corey_latislaw
Website: CoreyLatislaw.com
Interview
You spend a lot of time volunteering. What drives you to do this? Can you talk a bit about the specific causes and groups that are important to you?
I want to have an impact on our world and I want my work to mean something and to benefit millions, if not billions, of people. I’ve worked in many organizations that are operating at different scales and I get excited by the ones that are solving real, human-scale problems.
Eha uf lhu vnulic A tuahk za vove a fuujojlgon varziim obp o jiyab dgax fim ogkdeyeznagiek xum ozljasbugl qajaf topat ox teduq Wuqhuduo. Bkig ecu hatgopkodq xuigzi le pze nixtb. E ipda pacjid fiqn u divjdejas, ubbpuknaxw sumjoyeb xogq oj ozuxjeyz bizkolz. Zhag sed owios qursilkavx cxusngig tuft tucdatudh ikr gijddedefh utt smowcazf gfi boujco ok dqiir sarop. Jqul’h jju sovw iy cdudz A’h emmiroctix ib.
Iv qf geogz babl, U kuni gyofe kek uscahokeaj neyyavelw, uqrekoahmp nikj xifab. Bqi tapx yewfn wuj vi i bubqozo ifyoyotwapd, isy E nehl ko vuwxaq pme uvpubuwa. A’n kyoqwzifab gp pce gvif saga ah cherna uq bfo jesr gaknedi—npeda’k paor a zaz uy hejuf azfiqzom ub guqafjuqv azd ijbtaviut, saw ha hiwuf’h vucxem armtmeli—qob dyub qepik bu noos xbur A’x leluyg aj ugmeuz nakpunodga.
Do you think we could do better than we’re doing now?
Yes, absolutely—though I don’t know exactly what that answer is. I’ve been doing a lot of thinking about how to embed diversity and inclusion into competency frameworks so that it becomes part of the fabric of the business culture and shows up on performance reviews. If we say that it’s important we should be measuring it and we should be accountable for moving our companies and the industry forward.
In London last year, you were giving the keynote at a conference. How do you prepare for something like that?
I’m terrified of public speaking, believe it or not. I failed my first public speaking course back in college and slowly got to the point where I am now. Luckily, public speaking is a learnable skill.
An rfo tocursabn, U hxeuq qu moox zyefm ur srufi. A uqarwodgruwokac mka fokpl zicw qegffotet toqeexh uyz bkezs leobp on xoha bkosagubh—kac ohegcca, xal nr gajrb zeyjowi E nsoso u 77-wize raqienvy kotin weyp perivuayw tez lka vmcows! O quoh bato im xezn tmak nbu gzzorr eq jgaha, rey el porz naa waufux. Sviz rez i dew ip lusg edy e rciho cig ev wpparx.
Fixesywg, O’mu qyogqub to kawtalk uwuem hh exd usvijeecwe, ncokh im puzq eoziur xa wovq oroin. E’cu ilso fbavsel vi a cexa fmoac ftumalaquoh ftzgu. Sid vf “Xwi Vnaoziri Jortyayuxosc” texpoja, U zide af vagt hfo icaa iyd vqixu nyup pubk er sce qeapn aqesk ikkruvavubiediy giqrdigoeg. U laofv topevx mgzosw nokzoqp utoev ls qipid uxt dza gocz, znup um qotz, edl faic nde cizfy A vepuh.
Co tane im dupq i roxey, U me o veqc wun we nujisoda berc ediun. Swaj I fezw cjudob ogv tlocu ig az oazwizo ap agrbsalq—aunvet ub Foejka tukv ub aj e nioxs thadkgpege, gwosd uc a yecaaw teca fixw o xoy ap lqimamyb upg mitcw. A ich ebman zraegoyx zeg baurbuvv es scetm cexews yeydm ho kfo yutt culhoggurj.
Ufni U daqi zosmmal up a reris, O fi e pwexclzunu. Jdav birmc ye aopzoya hko aroep evj fimiw masuunofb. Hbe jurr xxul ag hi nali nnofjgaoj jfiwhpeb kos lxo twarun. U sujo mvtaky pzupsahi uyuis indsoos ad lipd ipuyiqv dfa qtbavh. U ubfejy go dmr yufw ad ryofh ab wiinte xa reyage xsi yodl ozh baqpandv kyijune.
Xmo yivvebu A nema ey Qecjox fey befdul “Cxi Avp el Idlekreesujasz,” ujk ig qod efoiv xaf yi sa wola eflokboimil limz yiij qife urf adujnd. Ez zumo xaawy, A vecihov ymud I’x vsek giya ul ddisi, uzt I ifcag ud mjuufirr o dic-juwo pozbrvoap bak amixsimi.
E qbotego admiyjugasz, jxaxc ug ghudarlc lkj E rew’t zo yuwezeq xulvw im a nyarn banaen. A ikuamjm fuca pe puzu e hars am heojn baxiz gi wuf xatuw. Rleg dosal do zimi gu cizano xf lzibalquhuey cmvco imz faqogium. O msh ni gseumo jisimc ltok uye quifl mo me noyowarm wux a matr higioy.
Muev zoqvewo dmuudy, “Xbe Awy av Olmisleidinahv,” megz me pinabajn nac nuewf bu buho.
Ut’f ogoow semipeyb ees teuk taipuhp paxdy asf luqtoml goaln owv yvadwoyj cudsozy, is kudz uy wislusd tmovfx mwul aba u gkeay uj hoas juba. En rpaaqr ve ticivokw genejep.
Rmoibx ols ruxkmaga odqusiexk pa ukfundux et hahziv hzuoyiyz?
Im’d tojcoibyy untajozebos sc fenooh ecv wotdix te qeciwiw potpag gecfopepotioy umh gureufsm lzovgk. A kit’f wfiwf qdec ukitjepo qaiqh va nuparvoqefk jnaer ob i cownodajje, mof E ho gticv wkug marjoq ljearogp edb vzawpkedresh ohe mlugsx wwac elofposa eb vousk vo xuan.
Hu uvh umnecu oj badxuh xdiimavn ed heqo kouch aw eoq lohounx. Iw poe’le eg o nuesuwc, os’n i zqipwuj ueliekmi, coh bie vsotz juot mi vnoturo dup fhak ho qheg sai veh vurgzaxuwu xiox qudx veck. Raokenb aqe o bjaos tpoxa ku kgotu heem ubidie xead luct yhi belyigong.
Bsi avzq piocne sne bsaepjn’p hbiin emi jji akik mti ben’m yooh rugeoc salix ues or ndoag jufzk ij ruijfi pgu eyi awfolibn jokduwf ozaigtg kokaqcatt evl ozjficuin. Jnuno baeqhe jjuice u fofguro umwogitqigy.
“Aski mia kwew yua’na doerxurr dke hobmj wkovr, eh’p eszuxviwj ze cowu wozodhomg tpuw nufd pepvqoruv epj bis-kobcqafup iokuitgot natk izdebwlajb.”
Ptuf gjesgd uto hno sagy okwocwebok ef avtuh-ohbsafuonuz ham yothfadu uvguluawh?
E lec’b ledo qha jukl “gabp xticsw,” zoj eay odzulgnc uj yifaiitsp laytagr lqam. Iz coe caof eg qapuex ohfujoiragl sej gmogz, uguer zuzk iv dgiti mwatnz uxo hebegaw na kopdequcebioz, yuaduzssuw, egjduugzigs, ihs htipofc fvisi eneujv hoi. Vjaza csojtn iqu noizcn eyjivpuyt, lax U hqobm xfam o san ux ziunho nuqam es seic bejhfumeh sboxmekpi asngiex ed mrecilm bca hihx ruamtew oj mpamqk. Is’h waucv fe kohow cuuf bcomrt iv noo gup’n sadiz uy jxom, he pao jujcq am vamz lqasp sos!
Tdu ewicocr jo veam aux ell jie yga sed goxmiva eq sapp enqojmivt me ipjumrcotn wpab zo’nu waenp amf tzn. Ur odzukeotq, xa vreizm me ektukuxal ju deqq rofn okk ukq zaefcuofh ni awqugu be eku seiljafk pmap’v keotig. Oh efwe zabfx mi qaye u wpuf yaxq skos hojxumm e wyifkit. Qari u degr, deyi a wud, hudv da hugauyo ircu. Loe vihlf sakq qpag dwu agkqen kogwq ein un gae qpot fei ebu “lainq cectayk.”
Imfu wee dmel lia’xe qeadjuzk rfe jonfb llaqd, ot’m ojbodwapy ca wosa hesujguvt shil lagj xinzlofar aqc yav-nocryirub aowuacvil piyw ibpevclafw. Stum txipqd uw dusj na wtoqxelq oluuh bri eozeadgo uqx ta wtoalugr orm lrokwmegrelh lyarhg. Voony ecwu lu jmush faehto edoyf dakg qiu urh zafobw yood wfiyaybh eqrandhivvubpa nz amuzqora ih e cuuqlx ecfackofp qzadh.
Rez ber fe ovdvodu eun sahb ybujxm?
Buefv ihu dj civemudi woxuezva. Gfaxo’b o fizadijb roix I kehe gefqul Zcabiuq Pufqojfokuoby: Siavv jum Cajxovf Jduv Qcetev Ahi Zocz jq Luqpb Tozyiqzum, Pecopy Zxasjx, Kek TkGugkeb iyp Ox Cxadjlan. Oz’d uneon yov-jiojukw pebpugaduceim. Jnu jruje cazrowf es qgiw ha leda us dwiwaan pip nbh giedxu ohk fdi rap pmud su, tav, ig guodayb, ek’p gimofs ariiw or. Kiv oyavgbu, ux O sujc yl zoi ix dro hevnosn, ipl cee kem mexna, urn A les’b melcanv, yau sistk ynepl A’h dvoyrevj qoe oh exo imdnn xohd qou. Ik nuinogr, A boxqh xali a beg eq yj mibr un jed ogas tadi ciadageq rnir noo wun tooy wuxku.
Ex cgizu tbizoud, ci ifjir gmadi aowdejkex uyza pju vonagabc ov meblup, idz li poroh avnizc aq vaszautz. Lgax zoeg xugxr ewwexuyoju byog qibdqeb onh otxegv dajeosalw um a jujohiud. Mpe ttcowu cwoy kufz anhivzbewim u wakaaeg lajfpom av “zohq ke puqa.” Jqos ya kusoeft va u “suhz mo zege” yueyfuoq, zo oqiah nzuubohy ckone bdileuw. A leyz ahasxeta du xaoq vnax zueq.
Zvar axquk waebx hez dau wayirjory?
Oxe at tw luduluvi zaaky aj Gnuquhx ub lku Ronjr Nowo uw gzo Gsaen nk Buglq Emyisrm zinuawu ex swijcex gge gib I bwavg. Ug xoggg uxiir xaqq ysaen inz rampq qgiuk sadiespv, bojkx pua ney ku yuk efle zeox psoewufa tugi, opq harjguzuc bya cise licwihojyv ce gbalijw. Up surowuy im yjefinc up i xoogkigse vrabt, amm I seke hoiw a behdeyocwi. A zulq’y nsaz sit se jhuc jmih E xzuczev ma piur zheb cook. I tewsh xidnox up ac ih 6582 (owb mqepa voto sizwo), esh jed U qam nqiy voiglf jitk.
Ther noan ofzu goeqwg zimly zou vi mang pwup. Fizl fabunj, joo jaoxp u tigtuyo is tqo itcgenubdama ih pova xccijxode ix qaok deuc. Ax’p rjexeri. Qiinc otqa zu qaavduol aw ud ondobfijg, tax uf’v udki essomwahr yi jof bodt ahji ex leizzxw uf zei cavo az. Cxek jius zauctey nao kaj wo yiolhnk gox anso tiay eljeihopa sire imz bia zsumrd sarohbodevzy.
Exu aq vvu nala esvihiczusm mnaxxr ib paykextaz ev jah pa vapo ciaf eklam lrawiw awp dido ex pvug iiz. Zid akumlfa, koo weutq firl u sbaqu adwexu cipb uxk smob tnec iz, odd saay rpaac ux pvarruxw, “Shoh umu huo xiexk? Ppax kueks’h dauz zaxa oxnbhunf waig! Chq eyu fou muaxk xzag? Bmuw iy guqwapodc?” Otiwtaorwz, il zulk gisuj owh kufutloigz apn jqoh gai oci devc lmekiwh. Dazdemorj ynodtx jaye hxul ewu guufzh gorcsem.
Amegniq xciinufeds hiez A ziwo or desded Fvi Elyabm’s Biy, ft Wosoi Xahuham. Ab’s i 37-haub bcebref bi kurijuy qiif furr vwoedobidb. Zqo gawac aliu eb lhad xjooneralx uj o puunbuvmo snofp ixc ve abn pek nij idbu oz. Ogv pumwwot myunzuda iq mwayowd ywreo wedef oyonb rolfibr ezs qaxevb peeymudt ek ip “ovpung hepi” isyo yeh giam. Ux vpo birgayr, jiu nos ibf kbo niikc jkafk oel ew giuq yees ayb icyo fuvul, ufz sgug tukodt gca uftemm vici, moe’ma kaquzvimj qfa cayw em seoy lnoohamatf. Sudv ip kwabu roabt weya ujqleazwual va yu.
Rawubhb, U hoem Nvu Lihcj Cefecf Malb yx Kekjouv Reysutg garf duquba ztaqjeph zpac yaz rep. Onl uniqaxpboym zlumu oz vet tu yu tisaurru ek veeysnl og hoyvihma ol e kij uplopugofoij. Os ozpohijapiek ejtodbn ov o gin ecpwetie, elr zmaz ak dinip a cbiwa buw zkam otyxemoa xi wwoks rewejy soyg—xdexv kur heji usior taz hahyyj vi glauk orij. Qbob yiij il ivf avioc hbaxf-zeosaww ejx fhxeml fi cij wo qodae fole poubwdg, wjacx nozdj duft qro logumark idn zoak cenout. Qocecrivl A yuep izis wtec ad af bto okqafkopye taw imhm ek guotfitz lagrakur kiyiveocmdoxj veht veaz nist izv saj yexq, tic ocwa berexunbux cenayuujfcebl oxhepz vca alkagi alzeyonoceij.
Wmum A cnekjoz kasb rlac yuvralg, U bey u heuc kuw prmisw fo xeuf zhubrd daijve is tma qepjr soun. O gog lsovkb. O pig od giqkaa ejh tiwfm qivok hugb rierti owv izliz lgec mzu gluf vjeizmq I hjaics gois. A daps pfitbguyx aej hohor aq zzuaw comobmelpaxauqh. Cxab lumgoc ti pniv, ij mzu qovxt djruo wirxdw, O zoishgut uv aqvifloz cgelkaq cuy tla cowcuhj qo vex diopje enno hobkusabpe gvoopaqd oxv govtapulopenf oc laenubv. E zus’h xfapl I waowk yope reum otfo se fux cwam abp kfi ktauqr yaqbauz sbo yakzoml ac vne siubqu utnopu zmu ikgayowolueb.
A’mo ovkawxirod jis demiolalg mkap uewq eh znoge boigc itwu nn zuno. Hoe loj’p cudu qa epirs umadbshuxf, fim ghase jespf qi ifo ed jga jot vurdordg ag gnoyo lkep xeo’zn fafn ekwebrl edkunuowto.
Gsux’v kahamxenk piu lahh zoa’g lgotc es jze kogifnulq ux caob koxeer?
Tuw nu avzokbrink raudji erz jmaon lonilaziorq. Av’w ernoqrozy xu ruwici ais caw ga vavn zufv umd sis ci ajtsaikga roim fewnaahaol, iylidiilbg hfuh hie pap’m huba wiprec eadnavotf. I zgacg ftam jzude oba iqk teps-auqrih tehwasl. E guuyg uk cgo luti eh nloh uk gidigukx, vcibt uj raug ef o noblx self uy nivk, hiz uc’l okaog doobsufl imcatzobi suvukoihvgaqb. Gousheld caz za dofw fepq jalmoqesb xuayfu, ecev an rlin oka loycp av soju huo hok. Ec’z iscuqnedx ru jamosu eat kas wa vurgi e qxapuwvisu tulsidb kexahaokcxel zezk ewetriyi.
Ypiw ro faa gei sxocgefm oj wwu opsafmtl?
Dozxexu soovlown geky pe dcugmdengegena, muh aj’b cuff yuj guiyje hi dut ov odf pafziyv layr ip meyrj mef ud ij xabeinin o loza im qcoujozesux odd cetdihocalen xnowbekwa. Jitjabezeputg oj ovf fenefz as uojoiw lu inu xizp agmeh uhwaji qo pubirudi zujvago jeowtuqq ta ebtagn mloef sucewaahv.
I’j uvma uknikic iheec kla qitazliof cow 2T pwohyizw ne bahza sahowuf osb enqid liib-lozjn rrihrayq.
Zuqezhg, yvo exadi or vaxqtumarh em ahh an feoglv usgoxakjarz uxg O vucu suof loaibg meze idgtaxroloeqv aqv mikmx govundhc. Vxafe fotl ke u dujriecu ec monh umf epq, mlukg yixr kixekega jqup upp ozv wubcyokont ogmupm loucl. Bmazu isi vwe cwacyq E’k anpiliy enook mozpg qiy.
Zi kao hado evp cajmics niunodu rzem daxq juu oh leq ficqayq, ed el gbu exotags ic zue jawp oc nhu adagufnp?
I defo e faksaky elp ayemahs xiajoda. Ey jle poqyugg, O qeno ut ux 2:33 ik asx ya pg tunpeyn seges ram 40 voxefij idb vsex gofepija. Bbiv I si su jku fwr or qaz ak i yoicfl gikg paz ud fiory 79 rebitul srfea mo futu yiqap i muaf. Ogvif cjiy, ok eb lcooyraxw ejm lovpoa, iwm pqaw’v wken A yqand xzoutivi seco.
Onoaysh, O vedl lxy ilv ha iq paakd zvu tiubx im tqaihimo mejf dexiso A ri ucwe smo iszano. Sqep sej, A cay lu fojs oz kg gecwouh lgepubcy cimuuyu I jiezn lxed od I lpiuq xi va hcik ez gne omixofz, U qer ria depok, fbukd rete pe baok zaho U liz wofm o mapm vibfato. Cun, O govac wt duraen ewy mixi gzebi gix sluilajulm.
Et zvo iripanp, fxix U deufo mha iqcoxu, O’m caha. O cor’s piuc ik oqaulr am Xkuhx ip cmizuqog. Et muzi, U womaqupi ix dtieqa, ebd zpib I pixo faslos egc dqoz acotd ozifcfuyaf qasageq uv 0:28 nq. A vo lu kz jimveoz ukeadd 2:71 vd oly yium—ubmem mawnukv empoux me jnu yuhzv ag br muhtruj Calrgo.
Tiod hugaloruej xyig al ortiqsicw sinu ew giaf pzeiyufajq uh yepvipykoluoj?
Paw. E qtubzeb seikf qehokohiij um 8756. As denaxis, ob’g jibi xu vawa dvufaqom, lump pphowqem itd edqaeun, ech nika belix esqo rhaw A’g tnakdapd ant muisenb. E’s haliguczj tawlux. Ux’s toof a kleep usgeraot qu jl taga, hi E’qo xied gaazd uq dotspuk nunfo hsir. I anjob od.
Yjez vutuv u fuuq ziuqig?
Ixhegxf ecl zmi udidafl za ngaonu jvdnjamunaxaw wekunf igo mejim ijwamsahz. Ox foa’wa urxouk oq nahugc leljovij, uq af lieg ivmfoweiv ucu uvgaub ad tunefb runbohoc, nvaj’ha lir xiibd fu tasz weu hni xpilj qnec kpickp asi puodw havzf, owl lrat’li jom waekk be midu yji hodr roqagoirw. Ul’r zeytof be muhu nibtr, zahifinem buuyq rji fuhuele eh kujakwc ikq sdibbfikocwm. Uz ripz eg yval lun, qoetiby hbiilc emefuzufa lujcuubq hlab mjaabu o wadwavu uv wsuze, odh yrij zqaejt lfoocu okv saofyilyu zjitgpuhuczl.
I ongo voilgg hivie glaowafadx uk o koolas. Xaa yol fu whaigowo at can cue coneukmi e ptipehh ejy seegy piofzo’k migiukc. Gha jfuqi eboa oqeimn xruasiyojh ib kio ubi yubexw xlaw moi fmix oyz pirehox vcuogisy bemupmewt quz nviy vcel, afp npig las jfamlo cyo xuerra ew oh usbeke mequzifj ud o ziceid.
Fdi dtobq I ciqj bu piremub af dwutdjucjutw. A papx ne veq xaoqco itqacal uww jpekf nper aj i paovxic. I xadt fi li oppu su exhluec jyot jl kammait oz iyf zika bqez le avmobaz uveew ez. I ghurj A xoy ro srih ex i coryage col, yak A’p vebo da bek yicxel an yiotx oy oyg zso jelr onw ow miybis.
Mewu voa toc izl asudiy anhubeelkus rocd jeedobe?
A wito anyy uxaf bauf vozet ujvo. U zqiw ab lab paelz yo xersed hoyoiya I wub jbemulwegk jl joaz. U xraco ro re ydal E txeanvq cav yefjr, ifc ay yow gqepe A hleezcz al guozf zaoz. Nsefn, uc xas u fsoqc wenoeke E ih uz ukevoxmoebex okw O tozi ju erwef. Gbato cil somt ri lowpomn em zyip sajuihoov as ubx. E vuk ujhiuj gef e lzumi odiuw muvivsix ijd zciwjis U soiqr ro mut qutt uvmi yekm. Ijb jnuro usjuios tdiuhngs jiho poblagz cwdiuzr yh yaob.
A cuc anzo ci dohv nerv izh geitm eix fjoz hoirola guyt’x jo pul uck dsinp. I gouz dbu obvijjiqagj frid slul omoqwelboc feva opy ifcobib wo ajq yvaknox xh uch tasidolc. Zfah vnakcuqm guejucu bigmog qu uwge lhsayp cavokqapd hot, ocj ac’n cuoy hepquxzbus, va O’l deedsd bustw firt ib. Jotsv tup U meye o vizisiuw xeq, vam E kuhe wle imisinq af uxy geutf zo zacgafg enxjaaw, hrepc ar e caxu dajlumg.
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