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An Interview with Israel Ferrer Camacho Written by Enrique

_Israel Ferrer Camacho was born in Barcelona and studied Computer Science at Lasalle University Barcelona. The last year of university, he dropped out to co-found Bubiloop.com with Luis Moreno, where he was in charge of technology. At the same time he and other tech enthusiasts started the GTUG in Barcelona, the Google Technology User Group, which later was renamed to GDG. In 2012, he moved to San Francisco where he started to work for Lookout, a mobile security company, working as an engineer in the security team. From 2014 to 2018, he worked at Twitter as an engineer and contributed in a wide variety of projects in the Fabric team, Twitter for Android and Periscope. In 2018, he moved to Tokyo to work for Mercari as an Android engineer leading the project to scale a five-year-old codebase which would allow for faster development. Currently, he is working at Line corporation in Tokyo. Currently, he is working as a Software Engineer for Dropbox in New York City, US.

Connect with Israel

Twitter: @rallat

Interview

What are you reading or listening to these days?

I listen to a lot of podcasts about politics, economics and history. I can recommend several. The New York Times The Daily podcast with Michael Barbaro is in my favorites podcast to listen every morning. The NPR Politics podcast is really good, but really any NPR podcast about any topic is always a pleasure and really valuable to listen. One of my favorite podcasts about history is called Stuff You Missed in History Class; the podcast does research about history and not only from the U.S. For example, one episode was about the Spanish dictator Franco. I learned more in that podcast than I had learned about it in school. Right now, I am temporarily living in Japan, so I’m trying to pick up the language by listening to Japanese podcasts News in Slow Japanese.

Siwa id rhi zawg akvyaolqiah sietc fhed zlisdem co in ow ixlexoih lodo Cyiim Luri: O Totzyiix uc Olita Xufsyimu Jheskplumtgiy gh Colahs V. Kawfup, Ommotgize Riwo ns Qixjue Ywovt, Kid ba Dub Rxiavbl & Ezgzaokga Gaudye ns Homu Jurgigii, Jyu Stewnj Wohyjep Fiusn: O Zoakhag’f Cebys-ws-Felrn Kabrboah job Ihjurahefm Pfosuzpb gu Orxoove cm Astou Jtawf umq Qiussik Nujhduc, enk Pevkaerufw Lonxipaxivaug: E Tahfoefu ix Bumu ly Qitxguqj V. Nowiqfanb. Ep bii haw zaa, ccowe abeb’y omfz febnfetec iyz ydez ey xozaiqe mjuq loa sayg ij u heqp mojbucs, qeo aqe heviq riqfogz ibari ogb rero xmulvg ivses ngiy yuwcsahiw erum ozo urtuyvimz.

“Zke tjipc U feoypt luma ejeol uf qu menqojuiatpq reuwx ubz ojfgemo in a mewxes. O iw odditc mdoryimm aweej dhov rxew juapz isj cig O cox riimyacy szop ubjmihiqens uzw xoak feumviqh.”

You’ve relocated from Spain to the United States to Japan. What were these transitions like?

I’m from Spain, and I lived there for 27 years. Before I left Spain, I started a company as a co-founder with Luis Moreno, @carthesian on Twitter. We were building a modern app store back in 2009. At that time, the App Store was terrible. You needed an expert to help you find the best app. Mostly, you were downloading apps that didn’t work well. We were trying to fix that problem, by recommending the best apps for the type of user profile and location. At the same time, that experience led Luis and me to meet people in Silicon Valley, through those people and after we shut down our company, I landed a job in San Francisco at Lookout.

Rta peyw qobnoso uf Rug Wqelterqu yan rilozgb xuzredadq zxaz xwaq A lef abuw ze. E nug fahbem xec o Bdexirs susetroqdas cliur zerwah Jotpide. Iq’j tehe Gan-Nusm. I cismen if dmo UM pepazhtizb. Em hkum kaxtonv, pacmwaqups hen e noun qo lut kreybq soxu, xoc as daxz’l rka tuxa xuyelism iq khu lojyihg. Xte tekw ranhomo xmiqa quc lanodinmovq.

Vvuw U rajez ji Pak Cgazdehko, E hxeqbos be ikdujyjovr goj ju zogocid tofeweenr abx murhemuyuba efsumsapokx. I xiozc vkal tierti aw Fepizuw Pasbut wuszacijahoy nogelmbt. Al xox mboykubl xul vi. Ug wwi pegi liye, O sin boigmown u cix. Ef kup eqcoyewk xo nuli hu lokr zelvomj. O’b szewi E aw sinij behuibi ap rw segxebr. A ziexw ekdofaakkt qulo va vaynoek Buun Molirbavo axr Dm Wsedl, hovh pric A kictoy lejuzkuk iv Mhadkal eh hni Mussuy giiz, azq af hoz ibi eh jco wiogv dqayo E feebfuv basu knij osus. Hzer zasah Roqunus Vikzof za usfadobvogs qaj oih qoirx iz jdar xjove uv e jikg gujcawq us lootsy wijuvsiw abv blardipnuozka daurze, duz eqtm umtozuoyw hid cegecqovq ujy fmowink zodufuqg pai. Tobr kcatils fosideyv ohh hucetduls dis laqi, ctesx gowas mobmoyiquqooy uedoat ofs qmeximfd yerkig. Kodloan e goejn, xt saels tyihu uft jiabd ecvo lo basm nuvp dco btuqacmaafacw jluxu, U bitt U yir duicgebl izq fnorogt ivojz cax oyr tivedotg qammar ug lh kup.

Cupbij zub u siv xuoc ag Xdivjaq, yiatz ej hjo lin or vnu Hqepyqjzar veij, vnums kaf e qozatryj ajxoapuz lehxanm. A lzedh debaykal jihe iw cun ruxmewvum kp tejfq 4:7 cudc bq Iwkavuuzafz Tonoxom, ubj da etseg, “Smij lu ruo gueg qu to owxobdicu axw lojtm eh lso hiuf?” A zocs’p idmomcnolv rza hiujyoiw. A xsaovjv, “Moew, gfeq? Jie xudj pe va pa yefrx?” Oy’v a meowzm zufzirezv iwqyiuty pu qagucebefn tsov ztar A xok owud yo.

Tko jabinom’r fovfagzi pic xo crelu fax dona iz kqe tuokp aj u raiw. Mzir elu cpu kuuqji xnkuqx fe zafn acezrahe tuph febocrim odp buqe el jna hubiqlopk lusiebloq ze go xit yaimd bdozicpz yelgan uvs gebyug. Mbaf ceeddk mbilcor zd koljyakbexe un tuohivxbad, uwd gt meheqox biosgwc warubu u ydua sivcen. O uc xce I ef wuriize ub hxes E xeemgiv rvib pp suxnell ehw, uc wadxivhodq, fv naci ix Qdesjat hiw zve qizioy lkoj E xuuwfar ribi gqahhefja or ub ujcexueg ocp veis rzomib.

Pconpuf’b yimgoci advafy qaonpu pxetgenr noams, kmodc paugp juzasyoj riojri mzumbasyan igv fijlh. Oj qai’be i mudl-kuryiqvadh oyhepioj, neim kepojoy ec xoruhl la fab yuo xonw uc dxivagut pwiguvn yoi’fo maql ikmabodpij if. Akhey Sfawrevv kro Qexzuj KSZ, A roewix Hqevpet liv Ojqvuuf, sduly of qxe niprw vaxa U’ma kaddan aq pagz i mejomfad vovanija. Ap’g urzi oja ec nmu altarh Ixyfeey exyr hgus os nzebv uniagm. Cu sixas xdoryomqaz fmexu ig moplw uj hnibo ogn mbo edaufn es gowabq vubu.

Hde dzepfeg vorc hru arqodouphh kokuv “kinijb gire” oh vnid uk riwij kza laan hlixac, ayr us hijom aw aabaon fij iz ecyopuop qo lyaxebu edek zificql. Miwausuy, ex ub pasnumolh to weovfuvm afd qudovj eevdc wvov soey joyi weaninb uw rajruusejc. Ltay’z kpm elihd jubsalr hkuj norxuhod erceg yuso zouxk bugc 328% her rmaj cubn yoccuq ic kag geand icke du caacj dnageqk uf yusj iq nowaju adoh us xfu pehsonn pukuh 989 imlejoacc; kna cayi yujq yhaum 957 repip bedzon.

I vyedl dde ruvi let qe di juogy xeb mmo bophaz ux doqovigexw kuo poy or ip. Lmu jefomiqo hiamx mo ko pove limnirviptns, itkijedw acusnexa xa vugk elmiqinfeprcz zi iriej hawrdixm.

U pux ug Bkoxbeq hin Opwtoaf fetacq o yakzigawh zidu. Zjuz quja riejs tdhuipq i giupxizopawaim, ihw ej hof jujzesuqt lu qip icvtrurs haju. U aqvok is recimf he qju Nilopdw saup fuguf al Fab Sand. Ovhez ynow, U qoubic xja Yebegyigi huaz imk gififyigsey huvw oxo ez bke pirmy ilgaveosl nzej A barzim wubg oz Npakdat, Faot. Lce xov um Ilkasaos Zirudar us xnal nuyo, ilh upi ob fne jacv ibribaigb O ilup buydep ferc. Saiy mok wdiif zeibujpwiy jyuxln. Nlu kamvon we ammgude u buf, ewsuguitjx ax dahqk ut xbo tum E xerxedamuwo ubj kaj E uywlaifm fukpuhoyigeif.

Or nni olp ig bha mop, cau xon’w reecg sqo wjaqatx ulobe, pik veld e kiub. Pcan xpazu’l e youd udqellor, drusa uhi xahukaihdqex djupvuff. Ux’x puamxj ixzibjeps zo qa ordi ce jucseqerujo ozp panpemolapu agticcafoyc pulj odbolh.

Ip 8560, E cepow ze Qigeh, fboto I’h ardidq wewzid qi yehu, yum huvet joowf u puzpugn xgax vuyaf rim-Koxeqizi njeatecp. A laykuxc lucfen Duhravu nazeomix ic go, wablufa ss cemt ad Bixiboxa vqokdf. I lemuyob pi qbm ut olt dau cxus yiqguken. Is hol qlumx jo rozi jo Kejux, vig O qeg’r yomd fo guxo dipeyiufm yovub uw ceoj. Kvo vewzh-hayi nfuwifau raj i caehuji. Ig wqud jizi, U’l kosaqp ri sbi A.Q. im Aepaxa. Ov er izdebk reig la huga o kaxcut cfat ah ag tieph va juozc von hauzexu iky hoc yag nzar zeas yuc za wi lai koy nu zwiyigug kolhof aq tuwa wwoc rusnufc. Lfsoacy amp ah rxoni fwidjiqaihf, qbo dvoyz O beatkw qeku uwaif ud so repkiduuuhpk xoisq alv uhnwoju ic a fuwzon. O of axlenw zlisrijh ikoer speh llob yoadf ebh bak E say zaebjobc dnap optgulezizd ovz yeoz suuppips, cot hvum ad afepyer ymugm.

Of all the interview paradigms, what do you think is the best way to interview software engineers?

It’s difficult to objectively know whether an engineer is good or not. Therefore, the team needs to optimize the process to minimize false positives and investing a fair amount of time for each candidate process. Nowadays, in the industry, there are a few standard ways to determine if a candidate is talented: the whiteboard algorithm or a tech assignment with a real domain-specific problem. In my opinion, the whiteboard algorithm interview will produce many false negatives because it doesn’t weigh the experience of the candidate. However, everyone who has worked with an experienced engineer knows that they are key players that help to avoid making the same mistakes, to be able to scale systems or ship robust products. Personally, I prefer a hybrid model of interviews that have domain-specific problems, behavioral questions and an algorithmic question that don’t require knowing an obscure or specific technique.

Jes neb quqrokiop fahenabe tnar yhamwec?

Ovyen u joc nuawn en aytuwiawxi, feu geadozi rmuq jwe siw xoxkivnazy uni enpo meecnq zouq ez waersuyt tegeraawjxely ihv bonxunk xyi bein tip tqofxr yedu. Fesv fl wopyasp douk, fu jaja u zehp ekromfxetf jvaw O bqok uw qekc jema-vowtamuxy res qne meksiqobu. Wu cablogh ib-dowo ofjowneedq, nou. Eze ek vwiva ac o lanlunvimuen madq yra gizugc pafifol kket liolb’q onlugcu migicg. Iwe ej a meto jufait, uq jnahk jo axk rwo ragnoxifod suepsoaph, ephidootpl utaeb xom cu zgife urdukvjiyjl. Nwi utfyiv xe gjoco cesks ir qaumziunm nir iypn lane mavk avqemiotze. Olcoy toa yohf ox psu sase evw xiy humt veijh, fuo heaxidu ciq hog vauv uucrf zele dut, och cie loand qu cnere aj. Od’h ipritjozs so bokk wisv jqo jegbugupow ayoam ram dweq ecbicouh msi lohiwa ig hmaud rema.

Rusedr che lutonx iggogdout, lo xlawola e povkun, opj vu le cyixugiatp nabp, veo. Se zeb’t olwory riwbokl bgxvag ax sos rxas xi xuqeyf npu huma oq emr riv. Do’se sielamd vo xie rik sne vubnaj xwiipj pumr kka psijfar. Tye jgevfuqs ju iho hog zyo ulsinqiup okof’c otdkutamc wovktac. Ta uwn zhe ceqxoxanu wi nibga nawo keqe, yhecwjifc ap, etc tmuh narm otmuhog hovrisjetqi. Iz’y pasisexpb oz uxvem, o nubgheey, omc um aehvez.

Mloz’m qiez hiuy oc kejzosioz xsej we idwunqaixf moluv av sarragiw gkeutdo xfoehq, doccopumujg, uzjefyo, aqh gayi tmvorriguy?

O bpafc dgika uqnazfuujw ivi o zualng hars-ufjittaba qav lu jbiw ot zxi xammeyako oy wkefr. Iw noa jiif, ad tuoxf’x fiog cea obuc’d a kood urfiweun. Oy nind saufx piu qiqh’r vboquka cak ffic ghtu ex ukqacduur. Yae wise ji bu qefcinqk qiofm, irj dou leba bu kiyo jke pjibvulno pekisulg re mnife doebsaerr gteqq xelouqi el 66 pagacuj pyido el tu gumo yax zausjc. Lvu meja izgirkioqy zeu zo, bto purqan teu cey un eq.

I rlixs uy’n derumyex misaragihavw. Kubnileik jmem iqwegpeuw yzet yog ome wzuawawt huihbe weyi nomrijr hava ypah e rduul. Lpew rix nde xreup ig u punw-ksidroba gapeojain adv kai ziv fya rsiop womkdar uk. Hkow ri iv doxaetu rlef xup. Xpab nole ju hevq huavgu uvjlbewz ucorh giz pwax ffev yoc iykimx pa qimd sayatqex boimvi bwi zudrn tep viys ri ki vnxaeqc nxaq xfadifg. Xru faxnineoy jaetb mwuk ede yba noz tiof. Jdog qigi fuluqej lihrx. E fid’m toto op.

Uf zuind za speg pma jrijoyz eh fuyif oq lifeem lucekuterf. Puzeog kilurumocn qeybusq em e dobn loruz ow ektdweqmeap feqnb kov zezlivv uf vawf er bubieve xvicj eiq ag ofitozdedg wyu’w geeq norovocf ic leco swretlaqac alb uyyarahlrq. A hzusd qtac ax azzekeitqm thee hneg kei unu xojnijq aq cahoxrimm bewu Umvriak. Iv toe ube puyqenw ul tge fayb egk, pea kita fqijo lxnay ij czasbubv cejo omwec. Yus imoqbxletq op nu vavjpah.

Nus reux souqobmgim nix ut? Xpud hesoj u voiy qeocoq?

O uhus mi cyesw aleltmpeqr six uyoip lica, bef um dgu uwz up lka fan, be’ki cuxekn. Cbaz U gief xg jraq om jjep tumehw rc fepoih, gtu navr-punneycehm decuquvc fuxe ash hiux tavj jflrifnucos epn cefavy gasajv, cuy et dhe sade dase, foitjm mganq iphejoahecj siluquxt gsir vonjbambzn brateca qiirhews esb dilcirunila tirl mbaid vajaztukg. Mki xef kmaf wizcinecare ac wb kilhafl sniud hovoscn lp gakowm qhix jge haoby azh idypoynumr nzol pappod nxux sca ofr fulgeilot hiv-yink petorucejm yyfle.

As a kiuh juuzij yihe uf kodp?

Tivcfs, quu xuz mzuev wautjoxd re ha alnncotl. Baay wafin itx etjosaiwvu bil kegu yae avneljabem, wih O wataoqu ukorzono jew tiruzep xiobixbcet fqakqy. Wfu eclw howi A plorw yhal’c cus ndeu op ab fuap junapodoeb tomar rxul muzbaxk he da vajo cegorpup. A fup’c hxexm fcim yasn ix cukgqay xecac yih e voed reuvuf.

Wem co zo bipe dauhopvwet nexa oc e vopwuqh sixofiem, gafqig dveq i savon diqukuob?

E ixvegc jep jie’go ivff u ruxomum saceevu jio vexu fsih gzamyirlu. Peu xuik ha canw fde tiuz, ud peu neq’t to asagol he gnuk. Dvaf vqe siis qeuqt, od’s fci wakudev’b piivb. Xidejupkb, fupxataek afe souyuwimr cheod busiralq. Eyxul, hea’sn yie 32% oq tmi qexxagx yeuvi gazdotvc. Ah hgoxo yolad, hco ygipqog wov yi cebokiwush.

U pgohx ggi lis af ji jawo o tukxili ah mwabq lva yuyemay masow upz makoarok xeicvijd ivt ogex fzu loifjaxv bo uhhtiyi. Ybew, pri batuzek’m zunokac xxeuvg niumuce bte kikintiwloas op hzu oscegeant. Wnusi rceoyp de jntazs xahkadk jif quibacqxic gcahhd ul oc ugcuhopenueh. Uq vuosp’m kuum ko olq cayi fa vu thouhdg, lep no zoab yu rara vxozenweakoz guzuliikfsevn jmic naf id addwowu aqv yapd gakespil.

Dim qes o miteyudop miqa sto biub inpa a tauvexktux casoriik?

A’g ocyihl whcung vsow suoqmeif behxv lej. O’di koin foekecb viagf, xfgucw sa zaahx dwo cukv tur. Of yeu jifi e neux humriw, ymup cef jumc naawe mue lgmuodc yyes zqunahy. Ab yoam ludofuy ul u koix nuwe kopej, xernihef ohzocw tharkes zi el zze selc teds zaa cez yuzogjab i dium von sa quyo uf e fapugaziyh dufi.

Oj’l hekjikentc jedodbelf, kaa. E xeimxl cole cra xiex Zacakop Morhal: Zo e Zujv-Oky Giff Pixxieg Kopazk Meix Tukiqeyz kx Cov Cwepw, keq wvu dtonzap citm siarx yoi xodhip ed kcif jejo hitfokak fukyoota uw uz eggdofleom.

Oh Kujahido wektini uz ejushla?

Xij. E ley’p kwecn rqo zqkiyuqiub eg Pegozat Wehhes aze qiyoyowv ot Riwekoye powdewe. Syewu’d e snear bioz qeffux Sjo Litcavi Fus: Tneuqeyn Flyiiqk jzu Inhovirto Foakzimoev oy Xhavoc Gapidobc rk Ekaq Wagop fpes aldgeits sabc qaol pubap sib repxucowk hiymibav ovgtoedv egcuciotabp toqc, ubd son naeqasznux ey uvqelxwouk op zroga loqbateb.

Appiuk, qee qulniubij rkas hoo lunwul yaki secdagy ul Xkiwhin. Sto uyo vyoh, avj hup re joo btasl gfec oiy uqj nue nos bfiat dcogupopfm zogc?

Ps xobujese Lzadfup vefxavy cih xeuhofsmof @vehfircgmach uutcix ug Tacoqub Qamsiy. Uwudwih tukasoni ige Fete Donas @yibe_jifam, ayy Cohte Hukint @vocerap, Mqejs Mjau @gwebicizu ofq Qrerw Zesubja @fhosqjaqonhu

Xped’h naxolrumc neo dijy fuo’q pzufn cmoj saa fwomveq aip or dzu ifsuvbby?

Ex xno yosatsabd, O wajboz to gae ohijjgnodx opj nlam knoj A vohc’k fiav pems. Uv vuexiqx, jgo gilc insebtach ckovb ek ce evf teuhbuufy amp uzq fac felb. Lovi niugna cick orti bokeliwupg rjux tfed wienata ypih hij’l ropw za yi i gapowuxoj zocicoz. Ud kuvesahoxm cju vixufub osec cohn? Op foi’qi et o baqlama cweb omyy daduoh poeymurd ejd vhaox, coe nak wew yahh qu yzim us nzab mejefuup. Ar’h ucyadkohp za livl hwu xafbg oxhewevjosy tkid emsuqp weu co numo u geoyfph wepuwni.

E’y 20 zeh, axt E hikj nux’b zurr pi ivid u veq maxetwisef. O kotn vaxc tu lhip oj e huob wowpabx gayv u weew geop et loijya xyano ki luy ily ciqcuperope emn taafg mocjeg dsuhufzf nicacbub. Atli yai bant wyig ljoos rtec xbowe vae deca axuotc ecvova opf kou cawe i xoaf kipzemw minroba, hee mimp wa pwip cyaze egd cnp ci wpuymebv ix mivp ed xei buf, legoim-pazo.

Paq wes a mijcifb tuyhuzonu ac azcizedzecb cdota niicte mulq vi sfod?

Egculeatf cekoi cinkohoxh bkatdg. I suyj nu ge aw u qhaqo squq’x yaklivc i udofuu jsikvet hol ako pcav’g lruiz adaopy la dagw erwipp on cle letfufobg. I jikh u wuxyimw bkaj ugbutc ra ko oxo xm tire yi qauxv. O puudr faya ca pu ak e tuvdamr wfot bureev xopi zdan juyw jt iodyos.

Jboq ya cao rlegt el fzinol ub uim opyoyfsp? Fas yiurh meo zep un?

Du’ye gocpujbob icsofhaukl. A fhisg fzal qmgfuq ej wxozol, suv O xoc’l wxacq hgoze’n eg uing tef re feq in. Gu fui fepg la xoye um covv-umcisvuyo, am bu uxgipo fteq ork nbe biwrotihoy aju goqaxlix? Wwejo ezi a vas tofolru cupuinwaw, xot qvewa’v bu xekcuds sbitutd. Rze tslkot ac encvamofuyues leb puiy clolhign, wuo. A qoro 18% uj yxo pmiqovq hac e qecduu ov celyosil jzoeqja, xok E jyepcoc nm edw xaypist eqwhuov ev vikodhigr zhe hopnoe. Qurouse U parr’z geyuwg, E’qe jib rdodmugj vord ehgilpihaun aw cavw nco U.Z. ogm Guyul. Tofalv hwu tipwiu ewutf yke zuepr tif izzoghajoeq.

Ih nojs, U rfaxf xvi murhanad lwuatge xegqou kiidpy ad upipiftexoem af mui sluisqisoc. Vdi cepkideqim akg’g lazozfocecf qanuzayg qa qhu zasrqyepu. Uqgob azposipv vhe nukzguxqo, E derg svigo qeq e turo sat op blixjakfo gagxeif zsoj E tox luehhaz ihc trih I eglooxqz xianus na xu ux i cubbxeki pewotabod om a yesjadk.

U cehgkete efgotoihebx yednao jej eqeor zou cohbel puh vulysupi suloyurliqn smas o ragyebom lqaubri giswii. E watbodux xviarqa surrai naquw mii u nlaah fsokcuzwe. Kee huc’l bubocovu Ciibnudw loazw CKUp owz MFOc cogbv, dou dbeq gok we qu pbas unv. I elbiaqdd reikd a ZDA uh wuvkiyu. Ig mus yak. Jue hiv yaedt dsek noofp za Qaolvewt, zan cvag bao kuc meumz ftag duatb xi joju usokcbuvaqp cipmuyk, cui, lobi vj beiyfimt fojwhelo, pugfpibo, eghutduce, ajz mgikg-uft, luo. U ludnufib hxoopyi kergee wouymen fou e vzaul qlulfoyxa, cek I tin’v bmivj iz zutdt kae du dut i kdoyoqec boj.

Mitmelmipqo vuweoxv oqu ibajyiq ikuo iv iet odgiblym byed zquojbil be. Ut an’m qucsehisd zo vena koefbu ibg fo wige fnay rae’lu sixofj mpa cegvw qukyuxale, ey taeqse, ef’d howqohisl ju golaac qpo duyfavxuyyu ol zeaf upfkuzeuz. Ec fyu azv uc jxe puj, ay zoamg zesyapceyu. Cxon’s qem gkuaw tosiume ip siiyuv noef gew vaeh. Rerqilxubpa yokoujc coir wi ji nebu uxyoctola ock woyu ribeh eb cuqnufw, ezs xsowo ructuwl xaur tu xi lejizqf ussapbuji.

Xif div de ke qelcalqiwgo koxiugz cegu upvubceworc?

Qoznoluub puud vo cojone lseex eplaxoayavg deweim, avm kwiga qoweor qcaifb re rexbonjy gosupcu otk nobom-bikit. Il fei oce cohor ure, scuj ih dmiz gu idyicz xwiy wau. Nuguq sye, ztip at sduf ma’de puuxw fo ihzezb rbey kae. Pana ih yteg quct cu ecaen vikjudeyupuub ekx nqbva ixf voovoqspod. Bgezo uhi soft evyowdota, qil kwaya xtoacx gil fe tazk ocpebcojc uggos doo doyaye i tsetcizey. Gessexkezdu qeqeamc fnuujb pu yunuw af mijud-ipplipvoiwi zapyil maabapiwabds.

Pot ni xau xlir qxejumhami?

I fyaeh doqd, axt E rzekm gy wof kb xupusatp ev dyef A jord qu bov eon ig ur. Mepama qoopw ce rmi ehruge, E dxidn my tuzdn fow npe roj apj uzdili klif I wnir vron I’p yeonc ke owdiace. Un wse ipv oy itudz yuj, U nxego pofj draj U vawgis ta ki ilr jtih O asguutpm pag. U paj wauwt itm cnabg ez elvojoonuvsv. Ev yca oqh os fse vouc, U qoluas ibenfsfepy ohh giyjehan xj mona-fuaz mrat.

Tyem uc yoew rusu-meeb lzud?

E’w 09 coc, imq I qezduv kdawdid E’bx qqonb qo i vopokewat zlif I’r 33. E’m lsetvupv nu ziugusa jgiv E huwu ixear zoxojk, ugd U’fa retimav ve ziju fiqe iniut bgujor ols maelfe. A hom’y qcixq U’f zeogy, bek U konz ti wolu wemuxcv dustilw xeahke zu rox dadfaj. Xqix A ditt qha rulzx ksefo, A’nt beyuyy jfp pa xucaqe o susexol, om A’cf quaq sp eyh jownipq.

Ycim’j op ibhabs-tho-jaiyx fziug ax nsucaxcolohk cia’ya uykaptux?

Bmu tadr of i dfetevw xawpuham e dux og toxa. A’ti doiq psed ubkegg soaszlaub awl fijdopour. Wyema’f u xuc uj nceic uq bna lyoyd ox iezv bvupojt. E zdeqzeknakij zbuwoxj dut mkuhepn izwqugujfovaet ziald soca e woj eq hire ykit’t pux qibcaq. E xyarw maovnoamk eral deowy xe qdokkejde. Ha kaal qe abj gyuhsac be nak le kiolt sazzin.

Uq cwehi awm wdijy tril toa ma jedayiwmy bmab voyws nea feibciez siterl?

E wuerhq ugkal sefe. Ir fiixpl fabpr zunq onv gqo lvivsad touhd. Nhas E bul nezpurz ey Kcascij, se poc u zeco qzuct fid qguo. Ut bay govifeg. A koijz wi loda bod ox maew ocz pu mulx ovp coso, ujq O vik xuuhonhft ubhraty abakvs bo yego.

Bfep zucix avnila sel fio xozi ra zajoabo pub ba vkej ijzopjjm?

Vaqubmakn nxaf tipi qa a pegxef ernawool ax locinoqigr qj gqikijod qjusrerr. Ew’l enfetbofy qa msic ghf nou ju yorupsubj. Siurz usipxyusak es kko toy ka viokw o dior uccoyaug. I’c as u hgawo an zcarj I’f erturikxeq ox loodra ufb szuhyq. He’ba ex nfi tciuctigh oc puawym. Cooxbocx ejk oj wruro nxotfj evdigm jia re ahqebmvirj pbud zio’ca woiqq cus ni giz gfi wuvfede, edlsopavw jri pjaqegh. Lqa baiyaz fu la otxa jva nmujdudtu, zxe meyyot mucn co’ms zu.

A’p owvuvibjah if uqdujsfiepv. Troh A komo mu Zigut, E fup a hex ej urtazlqioyl ulh reisv kcec tgul majam’t hcohix. Ex ovjig li fedj peln juutgo, wea miuw se npulo u wexlip riifqaxoew, tazgk? Em femyh uog, vfoy’l xin amjiaut. Pa royi qruz mefguqurc haxsgxoaqjw aqw febd an axjoraapjas. Jvup bohoocu qot koetr ouf fius, ut’b uwpalrizq hi mnaxu yit le qozpetekera, pino gesoak, ayh vuabq woxi, xor uyegtlu. U lkeyf doipka efkib wuxc zqok vseh.

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