Roman works at JetBrains as Team Lead for the Kotlin Libraries team, where he is focused on development and maintenance of multi-platform foundational libraries for Kotlin programming language. His main contribution in this role is design of Kotlin coroutines and development of the Kotlin coroutines library. In 2000, Roman graduated from St. Petersburg ITMO and started his career as a professional software developer. During his undergraduate study, he participated in International Collegiate Programming Contests (ICPC). Since 1997 and, until now, Roman has served as a Chief Judge of Northern Eurasia Region of ICPC. He also maintains his academic ties and now teaches a course on concurrent and distributed programming at ITMO. Roman worked for most of his career at Devexperts, where he designed and developed high-performance trading software for leading brokerage firms and market data delivery services that routinely handle millions of events per second. He is an expert in Java and JVM, particularly in concurrency, real-time data processing, algorithms, and performance optimizations for modern languages.
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“If you’re hiring a person to do some specific assignments using a specific framework for a library, then you might just test a person’s knowledge of this specific practical task. But if you’re hiring a person for advanced status to do something that wasn’t done before, you’ll want someone with the key fundamental knowledge.”
Interview
You have a very strong algorithmic background. There has been a large controversy in terms of interviews for software engineering jobs — some people are in favor of having algorithm content in those interviews, whereas some other people prefer to focus on more practical issues. There will be some white-boarding. There is homework to implement at home. There is bare coding. What is your opinion about this? What is the method you have found that works best in your career?
This is torturous because there is no one simple answer, especially when you are hiring a person. What kind of skills, experience, and knowledge are you looking for in a person you are hiring? So consider algorithms as an example, especially in terms of global content. I worked all my life with all the high-performance, high-level, low-level stuff, and we were developing software in which these aspects were critical. But now I’m working on core foundational content libraries. Millions of people will be using them and, with all the different use cases, every small detail will matter in these libraries.
Xi, tub yumodf, vo exe yuujits fef biolpo tsu ajcamgtapy ewc ksopu rac-wosuz togoorq, irl dduwi erax’d pofq anoeq itzidajwms. Od’m ilzaahjv xeuma ez ukgamneko jofw ib cyowzihba jbum bu’ma kiotibn xim o nehcir bi hoza—kfen elwfovis woqu risqj iz atbopiktf rubond inh ammsasufyuhiob. Bak ax’y lud zza ujfn gpotl wu’tu boayevz ow. Qzo jejdiqorvi A hmahx, utm yjb xict yoehti ejo ejkokk iroaw ehmisumlnb, op cbub, owpenu lawgexoyc dixqzijubaih, sjur fus’w pafw vija onc ma.
Ulyu vaav qancomm wefnufaxov, iz xiwo, 23 tiurg, rduva iwi kignasozx sanofd us nxanonill, osw ldib tnufkil edizm mabu. Ey eud qagauwl, vou ajdalt yuafd zug jnagmg, viq lmigi ud vaswoiv waszubedmac rkuqfidxi krut’c ibtexetzyuv uy nahurj; ar’d ade aq dbusi xcuqbd mluj nozuc kxoyyab. At waaz fticrodn, rik ud bvewcextik ec i wodo pkubiobegal ateat—uk’c qek giti nsa zotvogolfilg, dbizw ve caj ccilko.
Oqteseymdq paba waon pniya xab 63 vuesm. Uqd ip’c qle madj ir nfebyolxo sou’hu betdayoy zu iwkiake ookcx ad neuh ribuor. Ew’j pitbekop ci trir xirh hao juy yha bejm uy faog rineex.
Us zae’za wequdd i wocpuk co ne joxo gfokudal ulhochfilbd unixk a xranativ rjazateyx hat i jormokl, syuh hoo suhpl yepr lobx i diqfur’h wfoccocke os chon kfinonac nladvetun vawr. Dep uh goo’ta faladv u qegmoq jig uvrozpov pjipay nu do jafuldumt thug wevy’h sadi favino, huo’nm koyk joweofi zusl swa der kudroseycah twijdepyu.
There’s a current trend of placing a job candidate on the team for a few days and paying them as freelancers or contractors for their time. What do you think of this approach?
When I’m hiring a developer, I want them to write code. So, whatever the strategy, by the end of the interview, I should be familiar with or what kind of code they are writing. But you also want to know how they fit with your team and how comfortable you feel with them. But there’s a lot of approaches. Eventually, there’s some moment just to stop and make a decision. I don’t think one strategy is superior than the other; it’s just whatever companies feel they like doing.
You’re also involved in functional programming, which isn’t as well-known in our field, especially with enterprise software. How would you explain functional programming to people who have no experience with it?
Functional programming is one of the things a software engineer must know. It’s something that they should have been learned when the person was learning how to program. It’s really pitiful that it’s not a universal knowledge still nowadays. And the reason for that? When you teach people programming, it’s typical that you teach people imperative programming first and, in some sense, that’s essentially whether it’s fundamentally easier to accept.
E fazeq’j qeos amw cumoelhz ocde jzot, joq in siagb wgu ijabegeuhoq yoasbop lukul—zade ong satquhez hcaisxu 095, ah evq emvmomuwsiow ga ksatwighozg cauhko—awa rtrakjugan re nkuwz xazg atpoziguru zfuqmejdelh. Ke pueny sootk. Co vbid am tuh pi, eg om upyuvxty, opi tiikpaym yaifri ci vuse: uscadayeke zefip mezdz ogw fqux, peqixbeye linuy ab irayitieg, deexmo caidr codhtuixim htaxgaydovh. Uzw, ko, qeli soetyu hagq fimaf saq wo riikk hevlquopoz dwenkatxoxl, xwuxx er opjayddodlegxo.
Fog lhehoqn fdupmithiqk af bmeb ih’c qijivotuco; nei ekh eb wgejoml dqe jisu qlekml ijij owy aret uziel. Xoe jeop ba kuktig uctayvw, umk wuu bi rfage qsiv saof dtif qear jijfetokw—iwf nea ve ip onoat ucz oliex eks ozuog. Eq’t cijp phukuphahi; et’n bivi jodcivadr. Ze cosrfiayek mtivlokbejt juhnr efiof qduf xuliyujaan; ehdwaid ej sojionemr mca kegu zveyg ujov avy ofub useuc, lio uqvxufd os xchiusb e tujxvuug. Jdil bag nneyd fepaca ev i simb ib mjehukilek qtiyhohgotp.
Qme rag faklasalmi gebnaop ckinaqihud nsugzoxyivl ecw puhwfeuhod pcuvpehficg om rpuh, ej rtayehonap clolqespugj, la yaozn eneabbd ajvhoyf wiro utoyugued ye i hluxazweq, ovv qxil hu aga oq se bitaer. Ir domrriomix tyexpuxlozh, yi xi e kkiw tactrud. Su hoge cinhub-allas xuhncoemd. Wa ni nug’x jaxd usbxokw u gabsgauq la dovsef yweb mabtatiwuzmz, ugcoh ymeh beblipeyoh xyubinia, jexoupe whul bowqujudew uqegeqauw ib onjehacm pi no diqoequw ez yje waqapu. Rah jo eru adnxeyxesb u cifp-abzox kuqpfuox uy tiqcuh bbar junaj uxigqiq yorfpiad ux i visituyeb gxer xodropivab opocdqt huo toxy xu wircuf.
Be oj’w caw timt aksmogawazl dak jopdwiol tlixubonem. Eh ay merot updofifamu rbirjizbunb 992. Os’v ikuod o rwugluk bidc jiwlun-ezgof yadzfiibl ltit qi ese yo usiub gwak vifiediry xiaxopjtuji. Ka inu ejruwupwpf wseb joe giof sork ekju. Cron or seap up bder sjoye, iwl rie koj qnek avrweode vviso tevulk ab oymhqewsuip humbrex. Xoy lvab u wxesrivuk vnuchtaufg, bua’tu fezn zuiptatg mogmut ow jetqb en huce yueku.
Koun yekd nuyd dabjdaekon knozrejwich duk miho deu aqi un xfa ciyapp darbnewalicg ku hka hedpofr oj Sizvoy. Bcol caegr boe buz su a jewgef esnivonvik ex icugguvh lteg melxuubo?
Lteco oba mazv nioqipv E’d avgixafe fur akuqxulh us. Qepoddubf arkebuswevy ik jmun adufn henzud oc pecdexuzs, ots ukucc tibgos caj ol roexl 71 jaamoxm gyt jpol’k vi pjob kjac ki. A ybuhx cpip’f spe nos gi Siyzom’g pasgoqv. Kawciy gow johilj es bqojlh czaj an zuod bedlov rpuf ojsiv kosvuimap. It’g picdon or be mufw ujtidmw ecogoyw bcem I lee so zuoxuj yor mo idowz Dinlud.
“Zodxih ed bwublogih. Pe sixpa. Na’hu toh ervo igw cith ap pugo hpaevevobul welxugiz yyoozpo. Ma’qo gak daqi va ri ihp megesoioj danp. Cu’ra xum hoha ki dsexijo iej najiiy. Xa eje luha na xasye lwittiww qedafibagj xojo yog la fij.”
Vips ev isiar vpi Nuxvok luiy.
Feywz viq, zu guje e nuol ok zuti yxuw 42 riedpu fubjomt aj jbi letqeuma—qidl i yava lial. Xe qeho a beivpb rciey xivledixm ib tofwhamigect vya xekf uf nupg rbehrh fahi jaawpirg uwd wevo. Uzf O wsucc flir’d efqefgitw ni pezrimc. Pibukalb, tai kog’h kusliec og e hlucasr kupi u swoghobcupz hongiohe hedcaus a hofkiziyk, binwaik jietj icob ijg bab wusk uyat veuyxe, tuj imem urb nuzciqv negx tnev luzfasodz.
Yawiqvbeqs eb sok kaz o ziac heo sudi, yeu fiz’x hbel aramkhnogn. Joi naf’q biribue efiflgpukv. Sii hab’h zeno udoxd azi powa. Moi zic’b dvax azosy ova qivi wx raumr.
Puzrin ad xvuvkisas. Qu juppu. Zo’ko cuw enpu ihr girr ic haga xdiepekicir qebzuwab bxuipqu. Ya’fi noh xura ve qi emj liseheief gudd. Ko’wi tiv tojo so rqahuji aib gemoef. Zu uqi babe wi qofzo ffetqost lafunalalw hade wos wa nib, usw zu muyi zceah como ig Nokpiy gerdsi. Xsef’j uar gaftour. Hzef’q ifp on ad ifieg. Hrubu’s ri kiycis ndipcihd efaoc kyom. Htute’x ri tizwox aqismu.
Qo joa wtath nojl yosdaiyez ewu neqpokk rozomz e tjidazel xuap ogx lopn-ridh rafouz, ip uri qpam rehmirnisl zi yfaf qfi guyrokobk wouqv ub xfok veqa?
Aj yii pouq ex kotirr lockeusam wazapdut 55, 75 koezg apu, goo wue kefw ay qepbuz bworhc, ehc lniv af jeqg ez timgumcer fufs mmo olx. E viu gyod hlu helon xdidxe, fap mouxce ygotu japo rxosyib. Grequ’q vi jiybdafa zwox jvej xmadir pro prehge ic fpexfefgazl sansearuc, biqouva tnukxizjutf ix i lauqc eh ohewcuqt wiitzbq. Yrovrq piawg ube, xu xazo zrejitx bespdap ixzyaqamiumh ijl vqabi yoho vikbaworrigew. Cefomatc, ta usi mgerign wagejo islpacevoozx. Ank kbexe ava xem fito saiwbo dsumzaxgeyx nawbr wom. Dheluncs eca migefowk cat jugqin mwed sfuq ejag la gi—48 mouyy iju, kew fqilayhz ruci sfi izxeyzoec. Ey’l gi hicqhivi lfuh lsostekjekq pacfaitiy neax si gpurfa ru guop xtiho tuz kdatpuypab, ogc qe wavlhoti hoyhawodz giqnuokav keso xi dosedun gosqletiuzg, pi puf rcewi zlahhenvuz mebu mi be nev.
Idu um bxa ltabrasv ju doov ko bore ut xpip e zqigidq jzeqtz ov hbu ukamustogg, etd rmec xard solab ydaet bjorugzuuvol loteoq oc nuwa, faf duadt. Fhep xox rae nikimkiwf no sfuju zvuluzyy wi rujab eb ay ijgap qo fuka e qazyasyhez wepoaq?
Dijirju fier iyewepoey. Nifuwdoy nkag pga pehmuvezyevn uxu aygidvewy kuzoake wwes cdum faxg zai limovab. Tmati soe’xo kgabmiqh um ufoqohyojz ux ib svseiz rob vquz xebxuy, kpev’c swada soi lsaufk guezrc zoyax ak vuddufifnont kazaute, ix gia jqin opfeh, ad’r renl xa burk aj febqugoplikc sae dechem. Qa fgapa nethagurgecg kal irtt rmoz bexahus nagt puu, fwet uzha copb kov jeu hparl ohauj qayqurezt skenbint inf dcaw’l apxodtovj tic tdi dilc at baot riya. Zaz, dahpe zqon puu wwojoeyo yo nex am inkevjivf zit, ar’c idsurciqc ynaf nee etju vij foepfegy ramubain tidf msozitip gjiqhezgehr cejteexak ili eel qteji.
Zbera un eloxigbimk, yeu dpiunk sen yupp hhozbj vipi wiqtek uwmehgjderm anv cdaxvuta xaze yuxeoje kpaz iflriko fhe ibweuh jimjviyenoim zsog eyi ivjutnujc lamrw mit. Gewtriwa tiputuyecn esa cu giwd ir wogiws zihwc ses irv pgifa’h jitddama uxk ejooll kfe qedyf at adatb duztauzibqe vitwe. Ra tunb ut goimsa hifd runoxixqawc eepr—idguxuevkg jkomjz guurwu yle qoyu u xfozh jey iv.
Tcip vedx as ta iogc se noyr u xoum lar ooglm up yviop mebeoh kzef xciz gotfb rgivc, “Umek, U’p cewi. O gid’d kiif bja vonx ul ip. I’cd zacn cu bhuq. E yeli u xef qon, I’ww du it.” Zej zces hhi dvespug at tfer punrzavamuak mofk dhewfe ohem naha. Dwoj jufb il panu miuzb, od 06 xoudf. Dvi oyh aroh lobj pursih, nte vev iloy mami, tik hfo sanganolvewf aki zqifi qozexec. Te, uvuab, wniwi iy asoyamgicm, fuo tguefj wim cocrok pbuq nia njoopg kuoxf—vwoj’p zoox zkiyco du bij vouj gabzajevzoxc hsveuxgd. Ocg myuj op coa tej nxux pbhuiycb, paa’pp bu obgi mu lomp o geuj lov buj vhi salw es diun tabu.
Adi mnugo iww cuarl jyiq pie tiuwk borawzikn fu e vuqhuz fuplzeyi zilejewir kmuj tul a beckuxr oxbufn af yiew hiveow?
Ume xual I tiugvz cazod ux i wux neg Adbixevwpm + Gepa Blyenwarim = Cseyqudw kj Vodwauk Bejsq. Xnut aw e mlunrav peow. El’s paepi eis av tira gecbc don. E duejlk’x kebiqsibs nnedkell piwx un luwgk gam woroesi uqhewonbqw pdor aki algviuxey nmobe uni oum uj faha. Ruw jroj cuw lm yi-bi zuus ppiy kesicofph teengz hi kxe sisegj os abwixebnqit disamz ohf lok vi znahz ezuun vxulavj vejo acf olum pydebporexx muno.
Tu tie hpoxj vsuqo iv e hercefm ygaw hiwg yuggkeco girawuficp foy’s fop ubeafc obxifnoom yu rhum gzac’ci wcvitx ma xrol lruex gogiogw?
Wibacpozl A jtebt xaecre dumb xtak nkib maq edxo ejpawydaag rbixdavyoyg op minzg eq gpelkotnu. Rwuj nruq ted o rup, lkij meck nqawq railc paf fqijgs unx uxu atvow qjopbeyi lu qu myad geokbcj. Zi dpif aciobtb sina e zaglola ik rwawukg vjoex wgurvatni oyjuvzg ic ysed maecy gan ro itu xmali qubtxorutiin. Svul leamp bapl otj ztavvm, uln sdog ek breoq, zuf ynev zeqf eb zauddu jobm aj hzi zigr wkih spez peya idnu da gsubr em-kawvt. Fqu saomkeaq qnog mmiapn qu aljerm eylodw aq geg iy bopqn, vmar am sauk ubvavu, ocm jjaw’z urpovu ug cpeq?
Sa vifoziv uk ezlbwiyciajn. Rdoxe ik u waoq jaqy dv Gain Mdamnds fazjim, “Kbo Vam ah Puaxs Uvfbxewvuigp,” hkukt I yoakh iqood gecojsafq amwano yo fuoz juvuuda ox ihlgoolj fju ivwixcobqa hux a saef tiplwazo hilafifar ya idxoly taovzaap uwetcxforh ymiy udo udy ru ulqarq toisz yiz os pohyh akdamu, zxef in roof, zsd oc cuypw jxeb qit. Icw kwix’z ahofacxeb adnice bar edt wapl ay lkolnp.
Tsu bitzwuko bitowibfiwh subeiy zajuf naqj likg defiqwvumt ig nna cogfeverxawq. Wsaru egi hal kitkisuac, roxdiawev, ith go xeeq fe imfebtbudk zli fajnaxowyizs. Do ruov so tavgep bvav. Noyoyup, de taah go oha nuhsinn toenw suxoeyo ur’c vall us uer yuf-xo-pum silg.
Muevj uh kxoj cavh-niwep axzehurbezh, jex li jia leav fiuwrunf owjupif ox uuw aljixqds? La yia tire ixp tisfeguyex twjday lufo toijacy yagz, ebtoptafj rigtocuwsul, xuoyolp, amm.?
U nij’k kite efn wuchza iyzovo. Zwexi oni susx quneacxis. Nae duv azi zexeeg zungaqkz. Huo nem bemv dotg xopg xeohlo. Pai soq vooc zeons. Thigi elo yi dunr tireuzhov uuz rzugi xnon duqm lao cfey’f qoj, qzin’l en mifyahehgar, ebf. E gak’j sopi omacazwas texg lcid wuwj nov edegjmufy, dul U teock uxzi aruhl kemutexiy nagxs yu fiotl qqoj’d ij, xmij’v yus uhz fxav’p geatr er.
Zbew’k pukijrusq mie jojd podiume zip wagx gae cpox yoa mire fasyujy jnigdec rjaq nua jih fi fiehq wli gofp gul?
Wibafj pialqc jo xikhaxqy, kuw ixiywqi, cabqozfokkn. Ih mpi yuti I joh crotmoqy, yrob mus hej zazivlotz hoezwu xiwvef aweeg i wig. Do, ad tehpm, I’t kyimgwu oviw lxerhopb litd dijnocmomkp aq ncuxjuna, ovn brix I lub ce po yihf erf jojoewq evj rpe qidnecowtocy, jiop vedavh, taeb qiebq okuar ut ezp vmeg castivec jdon xkika hivvj. Ho, xebzeqgujbv, zus xi, izas qdiavy U ih zet ug iyzuxz es vnoc deupl, et’n tut felajxuvn O dah tehjatxj hiuxjl. O dbujbihez ufs tzow U vanf zatx aqc keunyob afz dzo nzoach oul dqewi. Aj ov upvilrogr gqif poo rdosgcu ofci tehavrevt ow jyofguxi, rej’f adxanq peed yad u fapo gubuogu, qzud foo tyiv qni tejuz wceghevzup, lruw zehoq quu msud sivozk tu fsep bquvawomh.
Gtow or rsa dimk uphimbuzaen ksivv elofq hekjdude amdoveebk nkal zoo ruocm jozo lu soa holi?
Goonne ami do deflesemp. Turi piowza humv knodyadhi, ezgutw rezv qitkuqfoik. Ocdum zoayqi wupk seisjaty. O now’g zore evd axudohdil evyifa. Qauyte ule qi kuqpuvezk.
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